Forced Abortions Around the World
[Today’s guest post is by SPL member Nathaniel Givens. It originally appeared on his personal blog, Difficult Run.]
China
Among Chinese parents too old to have more children, there’s a special grief to losing an only son or daughter. They’re called shidu — “those who’ve lost their only” — and the Chinese media hesitates less and less to call them victims of 1979′s one-child policy, which was designed to stall a population explosion, but whose cultural consequences are just now becoming clear. Sina News reports that 760,000 families lose their only child every year. They not only mourn a loved one, but also their lone source of companionship and economic support in old age.
Ireland
She relates that she was drugged against her will following the incident: “When I was taken into care, I was so shy. Most of the time, I was drugged up to the eyeballs in a room on my own. I remember they would come in with a silver tray and a syringe on it. The drug was Largactil. They would offer it to me in a brown sticky liquid or in tablet form. I would say no to both.“Then four of five staff would come in, hold me down and give me an injection in the bum. That was horrific because it brought back memories of the rape. Eventually I ended up taking the tablets because I didn’t want to be held down any more,” she said.
[F]or me, it has been harder to deal with than the rape.
I still have dreams about a little girl with blonde hair running around a field and asking me to play with her. She is my lost daughter. I called her Shannon. I eventually got a death certificate for her. That was my way of proving that she existed.
United States
She is sweet and good natured. By all measures, she is perfectly healthy and sublimely beautiful.
that it didn’t matter how they got Moe to have the abortion, even if it meant she had to be “coaxed, bribed, or even enticed … by ruse.” Not only this, but she directed that whatever medical facility performed the abortion go ahead and sterilize Moe … without her permission.
if Moe were competent, she ‘would not choose to be delusional,’ and therefore would opt for an abortion in order to benefit from medication that otherwise could not be administered due to its effect on the fetus.
i don't agree with calling pro-aborts "pro-choice". It allows them to hide behind their propaganda.
Which pro-aborts are you referring to? I mean there is a difference between the terms. Not all pro-choicers are pro-aborts.
Are you seriously suggesting that there are pro-choicers who regard themselves as pro-life? Do you understand the definition of these terms?
it seems that if you're in favor of legalized abortion, you're pro-legal-abortion which is the same as pro-abortion.
It's like the term "pro-war". Pro-war folks didn't whine about how they don't like war and therefore are not pro-war. No, they accepted the term as a shorthand way of saying that they thought the Iraq War was justified.
"Choice" is question-begging propaganda. Why should we let pro-aborts hide behind it?
I understand fully the definition of the terms 'pro-choice' and 'pro-life'. I can also afirm with absolute certainty that I have never come across anyone who calls themselves 'pro-choice' being anything other than pro-abortion and that comes with no limits. Let's make one thing clear here, there is absolutely no choice what-so-ever for the baby whose life is being extinguished by politically correct "Choicers". No doubt you would like everyone to believe that the country is full of ambivalent supporters of abortion calling themselves pro-choice – who may also, on times, think that letting an unborn baby live would be rather cool.
I've read a couple of different studies that say 65% of abortions (I believe this is in the USA) are coerced in some way. Probably the number is higher. Statistically the majority of women feel coerced in some way. No doubt some other women are coerced but don't feel coerced because it is so indirect, or because it is the kind of treatment they are used to. Societal pressure to put yourself first at all costs, exercise your rights, and "stand up for the rights of all women" is in itself a form of coercion.
As to whether to use "pro-abortion" or "pro-choice", I do believe there are some who are truly pro-choice, though I think they are walking contradictions, since the preborn child is being given no choice and others are often cut out of the choice as well.
However, just from what I know of people or can tell from conversations, most people who believe abortion is okay are pro-abortion. They do not believe there is any other valid choice besides abortion, and they even condemn and suppress those who try to offer other choices. That is pro-abortion.
Actually, anyone who is for abortion is by definition pro-abortion, which means for abortion. Even someone who is really pro-choice is also pro-abortion, unless abortion is not in their list of choices.
Likewise everyone who is pro-life is also anti-abortion. I used to dislike that term, but not anymore. I am anti-abortion, but I am more, I am pro-life.
If people who are pro-choice also believe abortion is okay then it should not bother them to be called pro-abortion, and they certainly shouldn't expect not to be called pro-abortion.
Real "pro choice" concern for women's health would encourage men to have vasectomies if they don't want children. Both partners to sex could then decide together whether or not to reverse the vasectomy, rather than just the woman deciding or the man trying to pressure her into deciding (or perhaps tricking her into taking a "plan B" pill). Vasectomy would allow choice with equality, and with no deaths to either women or babies (I don't believe there is any risk of death to a man from a vasectomy as there is to women from abortion, drugs, or even childbirth.)
I'm
afraid that is simply a false premise Bernie. Birth control and abortion are two
cheeks of the same backside. Both are anti-life measures and are used as a
means of telling the next generation that we don’t want you in any shape or
form and we are unwilling to accept you at all into our lives. They are both the
epitome of selfishness and greed. When contraception fails we add anger to our
selfishness and greed and we embark on a search and destroy mission to kill the
newly formed life. As long as we think that we have a right to interfere in the
transmission of new life either by use of vasectomy, sterilisation, pill,
condom or any other form of contraception then who is going to tell us that we
have no right to intervene in the womb once a new life is begun? Contraception
and abortion are intimately related and one eventually directly leads to the
other.
Pro-"choice" is a deliberately misleading euphemism, and technically.meaningless unless the particular choice is specified. Most prochoicers aren't advocating that women have the right to kill their nursing newborns – does this make them anti-choice? Anti-women? They aren't pro-all-choices.
I'm 100% pro-life and am able to make a distinction between pro-choicers and pro-aborts.
You guys say that pro-aborts are simply those who favor legalized abortion. Then sure, by that definition all PCers would be pro-aborts.
To me, this is misleading because there's a sect of non-pro-lifers that really do push women to get abortions in all cases of unplanned pregnancies. How else do you distinguish between them and the non-pro-lifers who say, "Keep it or abort it, I don't care what you do as long as no one is forcing you to do it"?
That's the distinction I try to make. I know it's easy to lump all non-prolifers together, but there's a difference. Really, there's three kinds of people: (1) vehement abortion pushers, (2) people who don't push for abortion or life and (3) pro-lifers.